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    Tommy Lasorda was on the Hannity & Coombs show this evening obstensibly to play up the World Baseball thing about to begin. Coombs made some sort of contact about the transfer of the Brooklyn franchise and Lasorda said, "Blame Robert Moses. He wouldn't give the land to build the ball park."

    And so this campaign to change history to try to make the villain Robert Moses and not the O'Malley continues. It's enough to make somebody sick.
    Last edited by MATHA531; 02-24-2006, 12:39 AM.

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    Originally posted by MATHA531
    Tommy Lasorda was on the Hannity & Coombs show this evening obstensibly to play up the World Baseball thing about to begin. Coombs made some sort of contact about the transfer of the Brooklyn franchise and Lasorda said, "Blame Robert Moses. He wouldn't give the land to build the ball park."

    And so this campaign to change history to try to make the villain Robert Moses and not O'Malley continues. It's enough to make somebody sick.

    Consider the source, MATHA531. Then, just ignore it!

    More than anything, Lasorda has always loved the sound of his own voice, even when nobody cares what he is saying.

    c.
    Last edited by DODGER DEB; 02-24-2006, 04:18 AM.

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    • #3
      "****" is now an acceptable word to use here, Mod? Cool, I'll keep that in mind for future use.
      Last edited by Elvis; 03-05-2006, 09:08 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DODGER DEB
        Consider the source, MATHA531. Then, just ignore it!

        More than anything, Lasorda has always loved the sound of his own voice, even when nobody cares what he is saying.

        c.
        Tommy has always followed the party line when it come to the Dodgers. After the Angels restored their rightful name, Tommy was quoted as saying, "They will always be the Anaheim Angels to me."

        Funny thing, they were California Angels for thirty years and LA Angels when they started for five seasons. To top that off, Tommy Lasorda was on the final 1957 Los Angeles Angels of the old PCL. But old Tommy was following the current ownership's party line.
        http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ex...eline_1961.jpg

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MATHA531
          Tommy Lasorda was on the Hannity & Coombs show this evening obstensibly to play up the World Baseball thing about to begin. Coombs made some sort of contact about the transfer of the Brooklyn franchise and Lasorda said, "Blame Robert Moses. He wouldn't give the land to build the ball park."

          And so this campaign to change history to try to make the villain Robert Moses and not the O'Malley continues. It's enough to make somebody sick.
          I saw the same interview, and had the same reaction.

          And it is true that you must consider the source.

          I once had a revealing professional experience with TL at Shea involving the taping of a PSA when he was the Dodger manager. When the camera light went on, he was all enthused and friendly. Once the light went off , however, his smile vanished, and he just turned and walked away without a word.

          What impression did he convey of himself?

          'Nuf said.

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          • #6
            Lasorda has always reminded me of the old Tamany Hall Politicians, all hot air and no substance.
            Lets get Eddie Basinski elected to the Polish Sports Hall of Fame.
            www.brooklyndodgermemories.com

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Elvis9045
              "Slut" is now an acceptable word to use here, Mod? Cool, I'll keep that in mind for future use.
              Elvis, have you become the new hall monitor?
              Lets get Eddie Basinski elected to the Polish Sports Hall of Fame.
              www.brooklyndodgermemories.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tonypug
                Elvis, have you become the new hall monitor?
                Naw, he works for the McCourts which means he must be a relative.
                http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ex...eline_1961.jpg

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DODGER DEB
                  Consider the source, MATHA531. Then, just ignore it!

                  More than anything, Lasorda has always loved the sound of his own voice, even when nobody cares what he is saying.

                  c.
                  I never heard of Robert Moses, but according to the Wikipedia write-up he has been criticized for the loss of neighborhoods in the inner city. Did the population shift have an impact on attendance at Ebbets Field?

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses

                  I agree with you about Tommy Lasorda.

                  Major League Baseball without the Brooklyn Dodgers is like the NFL without the Green Bay Packers.

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                  • #10
                    Robert Caro wrote the definitive book on Robert Moses that you should check out. Anyone from New York knows about Robert Moses.

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                    • #11
                      Bob Moses was probably the most powerful man in NY for a good part of the late 30's, 40's, 50's on into the 60's. Officially he was the Parks Commissioner and headed the Triborugh Bridge and Tunnel Authority which ran a bunch of the inter borough bridges and tunnels in NY. He also liked public works projects and built many a highway in many cases gutting mostly poor people's neighborhoolds. He didn't care about who he hurt...as such he was the boss of so much and mayors quivered while in his presence. He also was responsible for such things as building parkways leading into the suburbs with overpasses sloped in such a way that buses carrying inner city residents could not use the parkways (nor could trucks)...he was some piece of work.

                      As noted, there was a 576 page book written about his life and times. Of those 576 pages, there is only 1 mention of the situation with the Dodgers. Yes he was opposed to giving land to a private organization and yes he offered O'Malley a tenancy in Flushing Meadow at terms imilar to what the Mets got (which most people considered a good deal BTW)...the slime ball who owned the baseball team wanted a handout of land of his choosing despite the fact it was owned by a private organization and while Moses made a point of opposing it, the reality is that it never could have happened anyway according to NYS law. For that reason, this business that he was responsible for the theft of the Brooklyn franchise is simply not true. There was only one person responsible for this.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MATHA531
                        Bob Moses was probably the most powerful man in NY for a good part of the late 30's, 40's, 50's on into the 60's. Officially he was the Parks Commissioner and headed the Triborugh Bridge and Tunnel Authority which ran a bunch of the inter borough bridges and tunnels in NY. He also liked public works projects and built many a highway in many cases gutting mostly poor people's neighborhoolds. He didn't care about who he hurt...as such he was the boss of so much and mayors quivered while in his presence. He also was responsible for such things as building parkways leading into the suburbs with overpasses sloped in such a way that buses carrying inner city residents could not use the parkways (nor could trucks)...he was some piece of work.

                        As noted, there was a 576 page book written about his life and times. Of those 576 pages, there is only 1 mention of the situation with the Dodgers. Yes he was opposed to giving land to a private organization and yes he offered O'Malley a tenancy in Flushing Meadow at terms imilar to what the Mets got (which most people considered a good deal BTW)...the slime ball who owned the baseball team wanted a handout of land of his choosing despite the fact it was owned by a private organization and while Moses made a point of opposing it, the reality is that it never could have happened anyway according to NYS law. For that reason, this business that he was responsible for the theft of the Brooklyn franchise is simply not true. There was only one person responsible for this.

                        You should also add that ROBERT MOSES was accountable to NO ONE (strange as that may seem)! All the public officials, including the Governor and the Mayor, were scared to death of him, so they simply kept their collective mouths shut! In addition to the Big "O", that was what WE were up against to keep OUR TEAM!

                        c.
                        Last edited by DODGER DEB; 03-02-2006, 04:57 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tonypug
                          Elvis, have you become the new hall monitor?
                          Methinks the world - and this board - could use many more like Elvis.

                          Right on, El!

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                          • #14
                            Matha531 is correct, there is only one person to blame for the theft of the Dodgers, and that is old Whale Belly.( I hope Elvis and EFG don't object to my use of the term Whale Belly). Moses never said he would block Whale Belly from buying the property, just that it wasn't going to be given to Whale Belly through condemnation proceedings, which is what Whale Belly wanted. Nelson Rockefeller
                            presented an option to Whale Belly late in 1957, that if Whale Belly really wanted to stay in Brooklyn, would have allowed him to do so. It would have allowed for the new ballpark to be built at Atlantic and Flatbush Avenues, Whale Belly turned it down.
                            Lets get Eddie Basinski elected to the Polish Sports Hall of Fame.
                            www.brooklyndodgermemories.com

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                            • #15
                              Lasorda is now questioning Steinbrenner's patriotism because he opposes the WBC! Brownie31

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