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  • #46
    Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
    While we're on the subject of authentic replication of Brooklyn caps, let me interject another thing........................if Mitchell & Ness are gonna charge $250-$275 for a Brooklyn road jersey (gray, with "Brooklyn" in script across the front and the number 4 on the back), why not make it with a ZIPPER? The "real" ones had zippers...........
    Oh, and STOP advertising them as Duke Snider jerseys.........it's a Dolph Camilli jersey!!!! Sheeeesh........
    you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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    • #47
      Ok sorry for the size of these, I hope it doesn't scerw anyone up but here are my Dodger caps. Like penncentralpete, I too have a bunch, each one slightly off. Here is the best I can do at depicting and describing.

      #1. the 1957 version from ballcap.com
      #2 the 1948 version from ballcap.com
      #3 the 1955 version from ballcap.com NO CUTOUT
      #4 1970's New Era
      #5 1970's Annco
      #6 1980's Roman Pro
      #7 1980's Roman Pro 1938 style
      #8 All caps for color comparison

      So here goes...(I will post #6-8 in the next post) with some comments...

      Lou, NY
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      • #48
        #6 1980's Roman Pro
        #7 1980's Roman Pro White 1938 Babe Ruth style
        #8 All caps for color comparison

        So, that is my collection and evidence of my attempts to find a cap that is close to the original. As penncentralpete says, each one seems a bit off in its own way. I really don't think any of them is an exact replica of, say, a 1955 cap.

        OK, so now I want to hear from the old timers... which one is the closest to the original? My original post dealt with purchasing a cap that closely represented the cap from the 1955 Championship season, which one of these is closest?

        Can anyone tell me why it is so hard for such companies as Cooperstown Cap Co. to replicate the original??? Is there some copyright law that exists? Youknow, there is a bar in Brooklyn that is called, the Brooklyn Dodger and there was a court battle brought by the idiots in LA because the bar was using the name Brookly Dodger (our name). That is why I would not be surprised to find out that there is some law that prevents the exact duplication of OUR Dodger "B" logo.

        Can you believe that I was not even born before Ebbets was torn down but because of my Father and his oral history, this team means so much to me? I am not even ashamed to say that in the NY area, there was reapeated the other night the program, The Brooklyn Dodgers, The Ghosts of Flatbush and I was in tears. I think only Brooklyn fans and their decendants can really understand how this team affected its fans and their offspring. To me, this team IS my Dad.

        Anyway, enough of my tounge in cheek sentiment, which cap is the closest?

        I am so thrilled that finally this subject is being addressed by the group.

        Lou, NY
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        • #49
          To me, it's obvious. The Roman Pro cap is the closest to my old eyes. Too bad they are out of business nowadays. I own that Roman Pro Dodger cap, but it has been through the wars and is in terrible shape. I tried washing it, etc..................but to no avail. BTW, while I'm on the floor here......one of my earlier posts complaining about the Brooklyn jersey with buttons....I stand corrected. The Brooklyn road jerseys in 1945 DID have buttons. Earlier years had zippers.
          you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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          • #50
            Wow, Lou.......you mean I'm not the only "quack" with NUMEROUS Brooklyn caps? I have jerseys, jackets, undershirts (for uniforms), tee's......you name it! BTW, Lou: your caps look to be in excellent shape! I wear mine constantly, and they are a bit WORN (like me).
            you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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            • #51
              Hi Pete,

              Yes, I am a quack when it comes to the Brooklyn Dodgers - thanks to my Dad.

              Thanks, Pete, all of my caps are in mint condition. The Roman Pro model was worn during two years of softball seasons but I have an unworn cap in my collection as well.

              I was never able to find just the right copy of the logo - still not sure why that is when cap makers are able to solidly replicate other teams' logos without issue, so I kept purchasing caps without any luck.

              I had high hopes for ballcap.com but even though their caps are made per order and not mass produced and are quality caps compared to the other offerings these days, they still fail, in my opinion, when it comes to authenticity (based upon period photo comparisons) - why is that?

              You know, I'll share this story as well. In 1971, my Father wrote to the then Director of Public Relations of the LA club asking him to make a Brooklyn cap for him. Well, needless to say, he dismissed my Father as a "quack" and said that there exists no such cap any longer and that the Dodgers were an LA team since 1958. Well, my Dad persisted and after a series of letters back and forth from NY to LA and back, one day, in the mail, arrived a cap from LA with a Brooklyn Dodger "B" on it. I remember tracing the logo and I still have that tracing buried in a box in the basement of my mothers house. It did resemble the Roman Pro version. But, I mention this as an example of the type of fan that my Father and his 5 other brothers were when it concerned THEIR BROOKLYN Dodgers. My uncle, his brother, tells me that it was a Bakersfield Dodgers cap, the farm club.

              Was there a Bakersfield Dodgers team and was their caps exact replicas or "extras" from the days of Brooklyn??? Are there any photos of this farm club around today???

              Anyone care to comment???

              Lou, NY

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              • #52
                Bakersfield Dodgers

                In 1968, the Bakersfield Bears switched affiliations from the Philadelphia Phillies to the Los Angeles Dodgers and took the Dodgers nickname. In 1976, Bakersfield and Visalia dropped out of the California League and the Dodgers switched affiliates to Lodi. In 1984, the Bakersfield Mariners switched affiliations from the Seattle Mariners to the Dodgers and again took the Dodgers nickname. In 1995 the Dodgers switched affiliates to the San Bernardino Spirit and Bakersfield became a co-op team known as the Bakersfield Blaze.
                you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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                • #53
                  I apologize for the lousy pix, but here is evidence:
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                  you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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                  • #54
                    Excellent! Great shots. I do have to say that those "B: logos do not look like the "B" that was on my Dad's cap in 1971.

                    I wonder how close to the Brooklyn "B", those Bakersfield caps were.

                    Can anyone make a comparison and comment.

                    Great work, Pete.

                    Lou

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                    • #55
                      I think the 1938 B, although in the wrong color, is the best match to the B that we all know and love.

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                      • #56
                        Friends:

                        Although I've tried not to wear my "display" caps, I do. I can't help it. It's too much fun!

                        Yesterday, I was in a Deli wearing my Brooklyn Blue. A customer, about 65, walked up and said, "Brooklyn Dodgers. This man knows." Today, I was out to lunch, and another patron came up and said, "Brooklyn Dodgers! Way to go!" Turned out he wasn't from Brooklyn, he was from Staten Island ("'s dat an island?") on the other end of, as he called it (and sorry for the lack of PC), "the guinea gangplank." Never heard the Verrazano called that before. Leave it to a New Yorker.

                        The Brooklyn Dodgers are alive and well in South Florida.
                        Spirit of '55:cap:

                        "Let's Bring The Dodgers Home Before The Big Quake, Else The Fault Will Be Ours!"

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                        • #57
                          Yes, the Brooklyn Dodgers ARE alive and well in New Jersey too! I was walking through a dept. store yesterday wearing my Brooklyn "stuff" and a YOUNG woman (30?) approached me and said: "Brooklyn Dodgers, right?"........astonishedly I stammered "yes" (even though I was actually wearing my Brooklyn Tip-Tops' jersey with a Dodgers' cap). The Tip-Tops played at Washington Park in Brooklyn for 2 seasons (1914-1915) in the Federal League. I wear something Brooklyn most every day, and most every day I get: "Hey, Furillo!" or a long story about how they remember Ebbets Field and how they hate O'Malley, etc. Cool stuff.
                          you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
                          http://brooklyndodgermemories.freeforums.org/

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                          • #58
                            Snider wearing the "solid" B cap (no triangular cutout):
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                            you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Spirit of '55 View Post

                              Turned out he wasn't from Brooklyn, he was from Staten Island ("'s dat an island?") on the other end of, as he called it (and sorry for the lack of PC), "the guinea gangplank." Never heard the Verrazano called that before. Leave it to a New Yorker.
                              I had a Italian-American boss who lived in Staten Island but was born in Brooklyn...she said she remembered the day the Verrazano opened...she and her family were lined up in traffic in Brooklyn waiting for the bridge to open so they could leave Brooklyn for the "fresher pastures" of SI (They were moving out). She said she wasn't the only Italian family in that line. That nickname (if still offense)for the bridge makes sense in that regard.
                              Last edited by MSUlaxer27; 04-25-2008, 02:05 AM.

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                              • #60
                                Reading about and seeing the photos of BD caps is really very interesting. What years did the authentic BD hat have a diamond or a triangle in the letter "B" and what year(s) did the "B" have neither?

                                I guess I'm lucking according to the pros here. My only DB hat appears to be a Roman Pro in #6 of skaukatt's post of photos. It is autographed by Duke Snider across the bill. Needless to say, I don't wear it, but have it on display in my home office.
                                Last edited by Number 4; 04-25-2008, 06:02 AM.

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