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  • MATHA531
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    Originally posted by KG Erwin View Post
    As much as I love reading about the history of the Brooklyn team and the fanatical attention paid to it by a few fans, it is time to get over it. Sure, we can revel in nostalgia, but the Dodgers reside in LA now, and will continue to do so, despite their bankruptcy. Those who think otherwise are just flat out engaging in pipe dreams.
    Getting over it, as you say, is one thing. Believe me, I don't wake up every morning and say to myself another day without the Brooklyn Dodgers. What am I going to do. At the same time, when the continued lies and revisionist history is thrown out i.e. that the Dodgers were losing money in Brooklyn (they were actually the biggest money makers in the NL), that their attendance sucked (their attendance in 1956 was second best in the NL behind only Milwaukee) and especially that Walter O'Malley was a wonderful human being who was forced by the evil Robert Moses to leave when all he wanted to do was acquire some land to build his own baseball stadium (at the expense, of course, of NYC taxpayers when the Dodgers had a license to print money literally but the city taxpayers should fund it anyway), it becomes important to set the record straight.

    The other thing that annoys many of us is the continued efforts of the imposter organization on the left coast to steal our history. Jackie Robinson never played a single game for the Los Angeles National League baseball team. His legacy belongs here where he played. Same thing is true for Campy. Hodges played 11 years here and 4 there. He is a BROOKLYN Dodgers, not a Los Angeles Dodger. Same thing is true for Duke Snider. The history of the organization on the left coast started in 1958 that is their history. Anything before 1958, is our history. And when they wear Brooklyn Dodger jerseys and Brooklyn Dodger caps, they rub further sale into the wounds.

    The theft of the Brooklyn franchise is one of the darkest stories in baseball history. It was born of the need for greed on the part of Walter O'Malley and the inability of the Commissioner of baseball to act in the best interests of baseball. That is why it is important to many of us to get the truth out of what really happened in 1957, not the revisionist history that was used to get the evil Walter O'Malley elecdted to the baseball Hall of Fame. He better blongs in the baseball Hall of Shame.

    Unfortunately we'll be gone too in the not as distant future as we would like and there will be nobody around to set the record straight. I think what galls many of us the most is when the imposter organization masquerading as the Dodgers on the left coast is portrayed as a classy organization. Their actions in Brooklyn in 1957 make them one of the most classless organizations in baseball history. And we owe it all to the need for greed on the part of Walter F. O'Malley.
    Last edited by MATHA531; 07-11-2011, 07:21 PM.

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  • VIBaseball
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    KG, I know some of folks who are and were Brooklyn fans. They will never accept the call to "get over it" -- in fact, they find it a little insulting!

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  • KG Erwin
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    As much as I love reading about the history of the Brooklyn team and the fanatical attention paid to it by a few fans, it is time to get over it. Sure, we can revel in nostalgia, but the Dodgers reside in LA now, and will continue to do so, despite their bankruptcy. Those who think otherwise are just flat out engaging in pipe dreams.

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  • MikeChuk21
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    I'm 40 years old. I've been a Mets fan since I was six. And I have one thing to say to your proposal -- over my dead body.

    I grew up with Tom Seaver, Bob Murphy, Mr. Met, Meet the Mets, Mookie Wilson, Keith Hernandez, Edgardo Alfonzo, Mike Piazza et. al. The Dodgers gave up on New York. The Mets are ours. Let L.A. keep their team -- they're not needed anymore. The Dodgers are not my team, and never have been. And for what it's worth, the New York Mets played more home games at Shea Stadium than the Brooklyn Dodgers played at Ebbets Field. As Casey Stengel would say, you can look it up...

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  • aqib
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    Originally posted by MATHA531 View Post
    I have never accepted what the AL did as real baseball. When that idiotic dh was first proposed, it was supposed to be temporary and the World Series would be played the real way baseball was meant to be played...too bad the owners are so afraid of the Player's Associaton. The only major league, of course, is the National League where real baseball is played!
    Right I get that part. I was just curious how you and other Brooklynites would have reacted back then if an AL team had moved in after the Dodgers left.

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  • MATHA531
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    Originally posted by aqib View Post
    So what would you have done if an AL team had bought Ebbets Field and moved in back then and took the Brooklyn name?
    I have never accepted what the AL did as real baseball. When that idiotic dh was first proposed, it was supposed to be temporary and the World Series would be played the real way baseball was meant to be played...too bad the owners are so afraid of the Player's Associaton. The only major league, of course, is the National League where real baseball is played!

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  • aqib
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    Originally posted by MATHA531 View Post
    AL? Ugh. They don't even play real baseball in the AL....you know baseball where the rule book starts out by saing baseball is a game played by 9 players on each team. DH? Not real aseball. Period.
    So what would you have done if an AL team had bought Ebbets Field and moved in back then and took the Brooklyn name?

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  • penncentralpete
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    Welcome back here John! A breath of fresh air indeed!

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  • dodger dynamo
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    and there are people who would jump on the fan wagon (ok, that doesn't sound good) just to say they are Brooklyn Dodger fans...age well, the kids and grand kids are indoctrinated, my nephew especially..You'd think he'd seen every game in Brooklyn..cities with no history get teams and rally behind them..

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  • dodger dynamo
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    Like all thnigs we thought were impossible (like me returning to this forum) The things we discussed a few years ago, don't seem quite so crazy now, huh? Like Brooklyn uniforms for some actual games, road games next? Dodgers playing exhibition in a little park in Brooklyn over at Coney...or the Dodgers moving back to Ny?..there is money to be made and a marketing and a public relations dream to be mined for Gold! MONEY!! and enthusiaim for Baseball! The media blitz would be unbelieveable!!..Whichever way the money tilts that's the way the way it goes!! No fan loyalty!! "The O'malley rule"" We go where there's cash"!!

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  • MATHA531
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    If you want some interesting reading, go to the LA Times web site, still free and no restriction to 20 articles a month and there is an interesting story about the whole mess involving the Los Angeles National League baseball team and its owner. Then read the comments from the Angelinos and in your mind in every letter, substitute Walter O'Malley for Fran k McCourt and Ebbets Field for Dodger Stadium and it could just as well be comments from Brooklyn fans if such things existed in 1957. They act like this simposter near criminal organization represented class under the O'Malley and now look what's happening what with gangs roaming the stands, parking lots and area around the ballpark making the experience a very unpleasant one. Hm...it almost seems we've heard all this before, doesn't it?

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  • MATHA531
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    AL? Ugh. They don't even play real baseball in the AL....you know baseball where the rule book starts out by saing baseball is a game played by 9 players on each team. DH? Not real aseball. Period.

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  • Imgran
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    The Dodgers themselves are gone. A reexpansion into Brooklyn, though, hasn't been more possible in decades.

    It'd actually be easier to imagine Brooklyn reentering MLB as an American League expansion squad given team count (16 NL squads, 14 AL teams). Literally the only way you'd get a team back in the NL is to put the Brewers back in the AL and expand another AL team west of the Mississippi, where it'd be hard to think of a truly adequate market. (Portland and Western Canada top a fairly paltry list). Alsi division alignment would be a pain. With Pittsburgh already in the Central the East Coast is just too concentrated for another East Coast NL team to work.

    Anyway, point is that an expansion into the AL is much more feasible atm as you can expand two Eastern teams (say, Brooklyn and Montreal) and shift Toronto and Minnesota one division west.

    So how do you guys feel about going toe to toe with NYY on their own turf?
    Last edited by Imgran; 04-22-2011, 02:43 PM.

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  • penncentralpete
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    I will continue yelling "tripe" whenever tripe is served, however, it can be lonely being right.

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  • MATHA531
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    Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
    Calif_Eagle:
    Having some fun with it, and/or dreaming up some crazy scenarios (re: the Dodgers' return to Brooklyn/NYC) hasn't resonated here at BB-F's Brooklyn Dodgers thread throughout my tenure. DodgerDynamo and I attempted the same a few times in the past to no avail. Posters here (by and large) just refuse to dream (however silly) when it comes to this particular fantasy. Personally, I would love to join you, listing all the possibilities, plots, etc., but fear we would be instantly crushed by the members wielding the "facts", snuffing out our reverie post haste.
    There was a book written many years ago about the return of the Dodgers to their rightful place. Look...to me, it's become a losing battle as more and more people our age (I'm 64) and older are most unfortunately you may not like the language are dropping like flies and of course people who are any degree younger than some of us have no real knowledge of what the Dodgers meant to Brooklyn and many of us. Add to that the campaign of the O'Malley family to tell the half truths of how Walter was so misunderstood and that it was Robert Moses who was the real culprit which culminated in the scoundrel's election to the HOF. Go look at the 92 comments as of today on the Times regarding the situation. Some called for the return of the franchise, others simply tried to make the point that a Commissioner with integbrity was 54 years too late and you get the response to let it go and the usual Robert Moses stuff.

    Unfortunately in a few years, we'll all be gone and there will be nobody left to carry the torch of truth and it will become accepted that poor Walter O'Malley, seeing his situation deteriorating in Brooklyn wanted to build a beautiful stadium in a perfect location (ha ha) and was prevented from doing so by the evil Robert Moses and continue with the myth of what a classy organization the west coast imposters are and have been.

    But we can all have our fun!

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