Expos minor league teams

[sportsfan19]

Hello,

I am new to this baseball site! I love it!!

I am trying to find facts on an Expos 1970's farm team, and hope someone can help me.

The team is called the Quebec (City) Carnavales, and they were the Expos Eastern League AA team. I believe they were affiliated with the Expos from 1971-77??

Does anyone know the win-loss record for each year? Where I could find scores, rosters, etc? I don't own early Expos media guides, but that could be my best route.

Anything anyone could share with me on this team would be wonderful!

Thanks so much! I really appreciate it!!


Stephen

[Augustin_"Gus"]

Well, first off Stephen, let me welcome you to BBF. It's always great to see new members join in, especially members who have an interest in the Expos and/or baseball in this province and in this country.

I can't help you much with les Carnavals de Québec. All I know is that they really had the 70's look. I believe they had orange uniforms with the head of the famous Bonhomme Carnaval (the mascot of the Québec city winter Carnival) as their logo. Warren Cromartie had a stint with that club he vividly remembers. He's probably not the only one. Québec is a nice place, tough very very much convinced of it's own importance, wich can sometimes make it's inhabitants kind of insufferable...

Any reasons why you are interested by that club?

Again, welcome.

[sportsfan19]

Thanks very much Gus for your reply, and your friendly greetings! I really appreciate it!

I have always been interested in Quebec major and minor league sports teams, although I have never lived in Quebec. I recently purchased a signed Carnavals ball, which is likely from 1971. I am trying to find out as much about the team as possible. I always enjoy picking up items on short-lived, largely-forgotten Quebec major/minor league sports teams.

Thanks again for your help! I am enjoying BBF very much!!


Stephen

[Chicoutimi CP]

I would suggest you to write to the Québec newspapers such as Le Soleil and/or Le Journal de Québec. They must have all the final stats from each seasons in their old editions. Or if you ever go to Québec, a research at Université Laval would give you probably anything you want.

The Carnavals really had interesting teams in those days. All the Expos stars from the 70s 80s played there such as Steve Rogers, Gary Carter, Larry Parrish, Ellis Valentine, Cro and a few more.

That would even be an excellent topic for a web site.

[Aa3rt]

Try this website...

Gentlemen, a cursory Internet search revealed this link to the SABR:

http://quebec.sabr.org/2000.htm

When I tried clicking on the "1970" decade for more information, I was rewarded with a page in French. My one year of junior high school French has long since escaped me, having studied it before the Expos franchise came into existence. Hopefully, though, it wil be of some assistance.

[Ontarioguy]

Gentlemen, a cursory Internet search revealed this link to the SABR:

http://quebec.sabr.org/2000.htm

When I tried clicking on the "1970" decade for more information, I was rewarded with a page in French. My one year of junior high school French has long since escaped me, having studied it before the Expos franchise came into existence. Hopefully, though, it wil be of some assistance.

Nice link!

Some interesting stuff.

73-74 sound like the glory years:

L’édition 1973 des Carnavals permettra aux québécois de découvrir deux futures grandes vedettes des Expos de Montréal. Steve Rogers et Gary Carter font escale à Québec. La route de Carter est encore bien longue et elle le mènera jusqu’à Cooperstown où il fut intronisé au Temple de la Renommée du Baseball en 2003. Quant à Steve Rogers, il fut le lanceur partant numéro un des Expos pendant plusieurs saisons en plus de participer à quelques parties d’étoiles.

En 1974, Les Carnavals sont champions de leur division. Ils alignent d’excellents prospects en particulier chez les voltigeurs. Jerry White revient pour une courte période, le reste du champ extérieur est composé de Warren Cromartie, Ellis Valentine, Tony Scott et Bombo Rivera. Larry Parrish connaît également une bonne saison au troisième but. Au monticule, Bill Atkinson, Joe Gilbert et à nouveau Dan Warthen sont les noms à retenir.

I found this part interesting:

Après la saison 1977, les Expos quittent Québec et Cincinnati font de même à Trois-Rivières. Mis à part les Expos de Montréal, le baseball professionnel disparaît de la province de Québec. Seul le baseball junior demeure. Il faudra attendre 22 ans avec la venue des Capitales de Québec en 1999.

I didn't realize Trois Rivieres had any kind of professional ball. Learn something everyday...

[Augustin_"Gus"]

Indeed. One of the notable names that went trhu the Trois-Rivières Reds organization is Ken Griffey senior. Once every so often, you have an older gentleman from the area who goes on TV or in the paper to reminice about little Kenny Jr, a young kid at the time, running around the field during the club's batting practice and such.

You wouldn't believe it now, but this province used to be a hotbed for baseball. Of course we dont need that anymore; we have soccer (i'll edit this post to add a vomiting smilie as soon as it becomes available...)

[Augustin_"Gus"]

I have always been interested in Quebec major and minor league sports teams, although I have never lived in Quebec. I recently purchased a signed Carnavals ball, which is likely from 1971. I am trying to find out as much about the team as possible. I always enjoy picking up items on short-lived, largely-forgotten Quebec major/minor league sports teams.

Québec like the city of Québec, or the province of?

If you're looking for stuff on Les Rafales de Québec, I'm you're man.

[TheSlaff]

...
I didn't realize Trois Rivieres had any kind of professional ball. Learn something everyday...

Québec, Trois-Rivières, ... , Sherbrooke and Thetford Mines in Eastern League

Sherbrooke (1972-73): Pirates farm system
Thetford Mines Pirates (1974): Pirates farm system
Thetford Mines Miners (1975): Brewers farm system

I also found a very interesting book in a garage sale ... a book in french:
100 ans de baseball à Trois-Rivières ... écrit par Jean-Marc Paradis en 1990 (ISBN 2-9801686-0-2)

[TheSlaff]

Here's a very complete and amazing site about professional baseball history in Québec province:

http://histoirebaseball.150m.com/

You can find almost everything: all pro and semi-pro leagues and teams, some standings, lists of MLB players, and much more...

But ... it's in french.

[sportsfan19]

Thanks for the help everyone! I really appreciate it!

The links are interesting, but unfortunately what little french I knew left me years ago.

Gus, I meant the province of Quebec, not just Quebec City.

Thanks again everyone.

[brooklyndodger14]

Nice link!

Some interesting stuff.

73-74 sound like the glory years:


I found this part interesting:



I didn't realize Trois Rivieres had any kind of professional ball. Learn something everyday...

COURTESY OF http://ets.freetranslation.com

This is the translation of the paragraph folowing the header above, "I found this part interesting." (Parentheses are mine.. Dennis)

The edition 1973 of the Carnivals will allow the Quebec one to discover two big future stars of the Expos of Montréal. Steve Rogers and Gary Crankcases (CARTER?) done stops (sic) to Quebec. The Crankcase (CARTER) road is again (INDEED) well long and she (HE) will take it (TRAVEL) to Cooperstown where it (HE) was intronisé to the Temple (HALL) of the Fame of the Baseball in 2003. As for Steve Rogers, it was the promoter (PROMOTION) leaving number one of the Expos for several seasons what's more to participate in somewhere of stars (SEVERAL ALL-STAR SEASONS).

In 1974, The Carnivals are champions of their division. They align excellents prospects in particular with the infantrymen (INFIELDERS). Jerry White returns for a short period, the remainder of the exterior (OUT) field is composed from Warren Cromartie, Ellis Valentine, Tony Scott and Bombo Will Fasten. Larry Parrish knows (HAS AN) equally a good season to the third goal (BASE). To (AT) the monticule (MOUND?), Bill Atkinson, Joe Gilbert and again Dan Warthen are the names to keep.

Well... you get the gist of it.

("Those French have a different word for EVERYTHING!" ) -STEVE MARTIN


Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Nice thread guys. Interesting facts. Keep posting.

[Augustin_"Gus"]

I'm drawing kind of a blank here. Did the Expos have a AAA affiliate between the Indianapolis Indians and the Ottawa Lynx? I don't quite remember.

[TheSlaff]

I'm drawing kind of a blank here. Did the Expos have a AAA affiliate between the Indianapolis Indians and the Ottawa Lynx? I don't quite remember.

The answer: NO

Expos AAA affiliates:

1969 Vancouvers Mounties (co-op team with Seattle Pilots)
1970 Buffalo Bisons ... moved to Winnipeg in June
1971 Winnipeg Whips
1972-73 Peninsula Whips
1974-75 Memphis Blues
1976-81 Denver Bears
1982-83 Wichita Aeros
1984-92 Indianapolis Indians
1993-2002 Ottawa Lynx
2003-04 Edmonton Trappers

:gt