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  • #46
    Originally posted by theAmazingMet
    I agree totally that Shea is a non-descrept ballpark whose only endearing quality is the apple in the tophat. The Wilpons are planning a new stadium which resembles the outside facade of Ebbets Field. Haven't seen what the inside will look like but wouldn't it be nice to have it resemble the Polo Grounds with a deep CF? This way the New York NL team will pay homage to the two original NL New York teams, like their uniforms do. Orange and interlocking NY for the NYG, and blue for the Dodgers. We won't mention why their home uni's have pinstripes though!
    Coincidentally I've had a burning question that maybe someone here knows the answer to;
    Was their any effort made by the SF Giants to block the Mets from using the interlocking NY on the caps due to a trademark, or other intellectual property argument?
    It would be cool to have a distinct retro park with the Polo Grounds dimensions but you may run into the problem us Seattle M's fans run into vis a vi bringing in good hitters who want a home park that pads the numbers. Fair or not, Safeco Field is perceived as 'unfair' by some hitters and makes it difficult to bring in quality free agent hitters.
    Johnny
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    • #47
      mets

      Originally posted by theAmazingMet
      I agree totally that Shea is a non-descrept ballpark whose only endearing quality is the apple in the tophat. The Wilpons are planning a new stadium which resembles the outside facade of Ebbets Field. Haven't seen what the inside will look like but wouldn't it be nice to have it resemble the Polo Grounds with a deep CF? This way the New York NL team will pay homage to the two original NL New York teams, like their uniforms do. Orange and interlocking NY for the NYG, and blue for the Dodgers. We won't mention why their home uni's have pinstripes though!
      Coincidentally I've had a burning question that maybe someone here knows the answer to;
      Was their any effort made by the SF Giants to block the Mets from using the interlocking NY on the caps due to a trademark, or other intellectual property argument?
      In all of the years that i have studyed about the polo grounds i have never read anything about the giants trying to block the mets from using that logo. i was 3 years old when she was torn down in 1964. maybe some of the older members may have more info on this. as fars as the mets home uniforms i dont see them wearing the jerseys with the pinstripes that often.they look alot like the 1962 uniforms.i would love to have a replica 1962 marv throneberry and richie ashburn mets jersey. you also may want to checkout my polo grounds website.
      LONG LIVE THE POLO GROUNDS 1891-1964
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POLOGROUNDS1962

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      • #48
        Now why would you subject yourself to a Marvelous Marv jersey? LOL. Just kidding. The reason I didn't want to mention the pinstripes is because the Mets took that early home look as a homage to the Yankees of all teams! This way all three original MLB NY teams are identified in the Mets uniform.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by johnny
          It would be cool to have a distinct retro park with the Polo Grounds dimensions but you may run into the problem us Seattle M's fans run into vis a vi bringing in good hitters who want a home park that pads the numbers. Fair or not, Safeco Field is perceived as 'unfair' by some hitters and makes it difficult to bring in quality free agent hitters.
          This won't be a problem as Shea historically has always been a pitchers park. Besides if the inside did resemble the PG many straight pull hitters would love to launch those 256 ft. "chinese homeruns" like Mel Ott used to launch. Just look at the famous "shot heard round the world" In every modern park that would be an easy fly-out.
          unknown brooklyn cabbie " how are the brooks doin"
          unknown fan "good they got three men on base"
          unknown brooklyn cabbie "which one?"

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          • #50
            OK. First off I am a Met Fan. I dislike Shea immensely and will not shed a tear when (if, you never know in NYC) they knock it down to build a new stadium but as a Met fan that's the only place I can watch Met home games. And quite frankly I'm sure it was great watching Mets/Giants games sitting in the upper deck left field seats 447 feet away from home plate at the Polo Grounds. You might as well have been sitting in the Bronx. However when they build a new stadium I hope they will build a stadium that is made just for baseball, like Yankee or Ebbets. If you check out this link and roll over the word football you will notice that the Polo Grounds were set up better to watch football than baseball http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/PoloGrounds.html

            In addition MLB has passed a rule (which they allow variances for) that all new stadiums must have around (not sure the exact number) 330 feet down the lines. I think you will not see stadiums anymore with the ridiculous dimensions of the Polo Grounds, Baker Bowl, Fenway or Griffith.

            Let's remember as well why these stadia had such quirky dimensions; either they had geographic (?) limitations (ie Coogans bluff at PG) or owners of the surrounding property wouldn't sell (Griffith, Fenway) I don't know why Baker (281 down the RF line and also had a train tunnel under the outfield causing a bump) was so screwy. Remember as well for every Wrigley, beloved for it's neighborhood feel and the apartments on Waveland where you can watch games without being in the park you have Shibe with it's "Spite" fence. When you don't have to worry about the surrounding neighborhood you won't have these "quirks".

            Last, as bad as the cookie cutter 60's stadiums were (I think Shea is the last, no) you had some idea (I know "the launching pad" or Shea's winds)that all homeruns, doubles & triple were somewhat equitable. Baseball is the only sport that plays it's games on fields of different dimensions (which harkens back to it's pastoral roots). Why should this be. I'm not a conformist but I'd like to be sure that the "sacrosanct(?)" records actually mean something. I know I'm going to get skewed for this but shouldn't Mike Schmidt's 548 HR at the Vet(or McCovey's 521 at the Stick)(I use them becasue they didn't play during the "steriod era") be viewed in a greater light than Ott's 511 launching "chinese homeruns" or Williams using the short porch at Fenway?

            I would have loved to watch a game at the Polo Grounds but I think for a full season of games in the 21st century I would much rather watch at Camden, Comerica, The Mariner's stadium, the Giants new place or even (god forbid) Dodger Stadium.

            The "good old days" weren't always good and tomorrow's not as bad as it seems.
            Last edited by MSUlaxer27; 02-15-2006, 11:38 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by EbtsFldGuy
              I agree.

              But I wonder what would have happened had the Giants been owned by someone with a stronger will and more financial resources than Horace Stoneham had. Say a Jerry Jones ( of the Dallas Cowboys) type.

              Might they have stayed?
              Joan Payson & Bill Terry both offered to buy the Giants from Stoneham when he was threatening to pull the Giants out of New York, but they were both rebuffed. Terry put a group together in the mid-1950's that was going to have the Giants play in Yankee Stadium until the Flushing Meadow (Shea Stadium) was completed. However, when the negotiations became public knowledge Stoneham, who was embarrassed, broke them off.

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              • #52
                polo grounds

                Originally posted by MSUlaxer27
                OK. First off I am a Met Fan. I dislike Shea immensely and will not shed a tear when (if, you never know in NYC) they knock it down to build a new stadium but as a Met fan that's the only place I can watch Met home games. And quite frankly I'm sure it was great watching Mets/Giants games sitting in the upper deck left field seats 447 feet away from home plate at the Polo Grounds. You might as well have been sitting in the Bronx. However when they build a new stadium I hope they will build a stadium that is made just for baseball, like Yankee or Ebbets. If you check out this link and roll over the word football you will notice that the Polo Grounds were set up better to watch football than baseball http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/PoloGrounds.html

                In addition MLB has passed a rule (which they allow variances for) that all new stadiums must have around (not sure the exact number) 330 feet down the lines. I think you will not see stadiums anymore with the ridiculous dimensions of the Polo Grounds, Baker Bowl, Fenway or Griffith.

                Let's remember as well why these stadia had such quirky dimensions; either they had geographic (?) limitations (ie Coogans bluff at PG) or owners of the surrounding property wouldn't sell (Griffith, Fenway) I don't know why Baker (281 down the RF line and also had a train tunnel under the outfield causing a bump) was so screwy. Remember as well for every Wrigley, beloved for it's neighborhood feel and the apartments on Waveland where you can watch games without being in the park you have Shibe with it's "Spite" fence. When you don't have to worry about the surrounding neighborhood you won't have these "quirks".

                Last, as bad as the cookie cutter 60's stadiums were (I think Shea is the last, no) you had some idea (I know "the launching pad" or Shea's winds)that all homeruns, doubles & triple were somewhat equitable. Baseball is the only sport that plays it's games on fields of different dimensions (which harkens back to it's pastoral roots). Why should this be. I'm not a conformist but I'd like to be sure that the "sacrosanct(?)" records actually mean something. I know I'm going to get skewed for this but shouldn't Mike Schmidt's 548 HR at the Vet(or McCovey's 521 at the Stick)(I use them becasue they didn't play during the "steriod era") be viewed in a greater light than Ott's 511 launching "chinese homeruns" or Williams using the short porch at Fenway?

                I would have loved to watch a game at the Polo Grounds but I think for a full season of games in the 21st century I would much rather watch at Camden, Comerica, The Mariner's stadium, the Giants new place or even (god forbid) Dodger Stadium.

                The "good old days" weren't always good and tomorrow's not as bad as it seems.
                Well you can have your camden yards dodgers stadium or even that dumpy new stadium here in detroit called comerica, i would rather be at a full season of games at the polo grounds.and yes everyone knows about the diminensions of the polo grounds.those dimensions is what made the polo grounds so unique.i would love to sit 483 feet away in centerfield of the polo grounds anyday than any of these modern stadiums .again everyone has there own opinion.
                LONG LIVE THE POLO GROUNDS 1891-1964
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POLOGROUNDS1962

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                • #53
                  Look who is without baseball!

                  The Yankees are in the Bronx and the Mets in Queens along with minor league teams in Brooklyn & Staten Island-thus haughty Manhattan is the lone borough without professional baseball!-Brownie31

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Brownie31
                    The Yankees are in the Bronx and the Mets in Queens along with minor league teams in Brooklyn & Staten Island-thus haughty Manhattan is the lone borough without professional baseball!-Brownie31
                    You'll find that most of us who live in manhattan don't mind not having a stadium. Traffic is bad enough on any given day. I wouldn't want to imagine what it would be like if there was still a stadium on manahttan and a everybody from LI, NJ and points north were trying to get to it by car because they refuse to use the buses/subways/railroad. It's quick and easy enough to get to Yankee via subway or Shea via LIRR/subway.
                    Last edited by MSUlaxer27; 02-20-2006, 07:20 PM.

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                    • #55
                      polo grounds

                      Originally posted by MSUlaxer27
                      You'll find that most of us who live in manhattan don't mind not having a stadium. Traffic is bad enough on any given day. I wouldn't want to imagine what it would be like if there was still a stadium on manahttan and a everybody from LI, NJ and points north were trying to get to it by car because they refuse to use the buses/subways/railroad. It's quick and easy enough to get to Yankee via subway or Shea via LIRR/subway.
                      Did you live in manhattan when the polo grounds was still standing.
                      LONG LIVE THE POLO GROUNDS 1891-1964
                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POLOGROUNDS1962

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                      • #56
                        I did, and amazingly enough it was far easier (and quicker) for me to get to Yankee Stadium than it was to the Polo Grounds. I lived in the Yorkville section of Manhattan and simply had to jump on the Lexington Avenue Express and four stops (about 15 minutes) put me at the stadium. Getting to the Polo Grounds involved taking a crosstown bus to West 86th Street and boarding an 8th Avenue train to 155th Street. Trains and buses you may recall, were only a dime and later 15 cents in the fifties. Great memories of great years. Unfortunately however, I never made it to Ebbets Field. My loss!
                        RCL

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                        • #57
                          No, we have the same amount of actual experience when it comes to the being in Manhattan with the Polo Grounds, none. Yeah I know, you went to the PG houses in 1987.

                          The question that started the thread was if they could still be at 155th and 8th. The present traffic patterns and demographics of the surrounding (both the neighborhood and outlying buroughs/counties) areas should be taken into account. I was responding to Brownie31 and his factual statement that Manhattan is the only Borough of NYC not to have it's "own" professional baseball franchise/stadium.

                          It should be noted that to get to all the places that Brownie31 mentioned by car (it is 2006 this is the preferred method of transport for LI,NJ and westchester and to a much lesser extent in SI, Bkln & Queens residents all places where fans the NYC teams come from) you don't have to come through Manhattan. Manhattan does have a "stadium" so to speak, Madison Square Garden. I live close to where RCL986 did and I work in midtown. I can tell you that it is a zoo commuting to work on a daily basis (I take the train). I do know that on days when the Rangers and Knicks are home at the garden it's even worse because even though MSG sits on top of a major transit hub (6 subway lines (ACE,123) the LIRR, NJ Transit & Amtrak, not to mention a PATH station & 6 more subway lines (FVBD,NR) two blocks away) people insist on driving in to watch the games. MSG seats 19,000 the Polo Grounds sat 56,000. How could it not have been worse today to get that many people to Coogan's bluff? As far as driving to Yankee stadium from Westchester, LI, NJ, Bkln or Queens or SI you you don't have to come through Manhattan. That changes if you're trying to get to the PG even if it was "just across the river". Most Manhattanites use the subway/LIRR to get to Yankee or Shea but for all others I suspect it's not the case.

                          I'm sure it was easy to get to Yankee and the PG when the majority of fans both lived in the city and didn't have cars, but that is just not reality anymore.
                          Last edited by MSUlaxer27; 02-21-2006, 03:00 PM.

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                          • #58
                            polo grounds

                            Originally posted by MSUlaxer27
                            No, we have the same amount of actual experience when it comes to the being in Manhattan with the Polo Grounds, none. Yeah I know, you went to the PG houses in 1987.

                            The question that started the thread was if they could still be at 155th and 8th. The present traffic patterns and demographics of the surrounding (both the neighborhood and outlying buroughs/counties) areas should be taken into account. I was responding to Brownie31 and his factual statement that Manhattan is the only Borough of NYC not to have it's "own" professional baseball franchise/stadium.

                            It should be noted that to get to all the places that Brownie31 mentioned by car (it is 2006 this is the preferred method of transport for LI,NJ and westchester and to a much lesser extent in SI, Bkln & Queens residents all places where fans the NYC teams come from) you don't have to come through Manhattan. Manhattan does have a "stadium" so to speak, Madison Square Garden. I live close to where RCL986 did and I work in midtown. I can tell you that it is a zoo commuting to work on a daily basis (I take the train). I do know that on days when the Rangers and Knicks are home at the garden it's even worse because even though MSG sits on top of a major transit hub (6 subway lines (ACE,123) the LIRR, NJ Transit & Amtrak, not to mention a PATH station & 6 more subway lines (FVBD,NR) two blocks away) people insist on driving in to watch the games. MSG seats 19,000 the Polo Grounds sat 56,000. How could it not have been worse today to get that many people to Coogan's bluff? As far as driving to Yankee stadium from Westchester, LI, NJ, Bkln or Queens or SI you you don't have to come through Manhattan. That changes if you're trying to get to the PG even if it was "just across the river". Most Manhattanites use the subway/LIRR to get to Yankee or Shea but for all others I suspect it's not the case.

                            I'm sure it was easy to get to Yankee and the PG when the majority of fans both lived in the city and didn't have cars, but that is just not reality anymore.
                            Well i still think that baseball still could be played at the polo grounds today.you may not like my opinion on this because i dont live in new york but live in detroit but i have been to the polo grounds site in 1987 and also over the years i have talked to alot of former giants and mets that played there and have learned alot from them.i will say this one more time if the yankees still can play across the river then the giants or mets still could be playing at the polo grounds.and this is my opinion.
                            LONG LIVE THE POLO GROUNDS 1891-1964
                            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POLOGROUNDS1962

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                            • #59
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Shotgun Shuba
                                photo from cyburbia.com
                                Very nice photo. Any idea of the date it was taken?
                                Lets get Eddie Basinski elected to the Polish Sports Hall of Fame.
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