If they become the Senators, should they hang up really old banners?

[Clockwork]

I think it would be really awesome if they became the Washington Senators. But it would be even cooler if the Twins/ Rangers gave them the history of the franchise, kinda like what the Baltimore Ravens did to the Cleveland Browns. It would be awesome seeing a 1924 WS banner, and a 1925 AL banner, I think.



That brings up another questions, do teams that moved like the A's hold up banners that were won elsewhere? The A's won 5 titles in Philadelphia.

[sportsfan331]

nice question...

[Coal Cracker]

Yes. Honor the history and tradition of the Washington Senators. I'm hoping that they'll have a museum or something when the new ballpark opens honoring the traditions of Washington baseball.

[Chisox73]

I think it would be really awesome if they became the Washington Senators. But it would be even cooler if the Twins/ Rangers gave them the history of the franchise, kinda like what the Baltimore Ravens did to the Cleveland Browns. It would be awesome seeing a 1924 WS banner, and a 1925 AL banner, I think.



That brings up another questions, do teams that moved like the A's hold up banners that were won elsewhere? The A's won 5 titles in Philadelphia.

I think it would be up to baseball to make that decision.

As far as other teams,like the A's are concerned,their media giudes lists separate records for Oakland and Philadelphia/Kansas City.

I know when I watch the A's home games on TV,when they show the championship flags,they only have all the Oakland championship flags flying.

[tonjes]

Yes. Honor the history and tradition of the Washington Senators.

what exactly is their to honor?

ever hear of first in diplomacy, last in the american league?

anyways, assuming the expos become the senators, are they going to move them into the american league and send the pittsburgh pirates back to the NL east? maybe that was selig's plan all along. am i on to something? it would put 15 teams in each league, instead of the unusual 14 AL, 16 NL arrangement.

[Coal Cracker]

Ed Delahanty, Walter Johnson, Bucky Harris, Harmon Killebrew, etc. They're not to honor? How about the 1924 World Champions?

How can you put 15 teams in each league? One team wouldn't have an opponent every series.

[tonjes]

Ed Delahanty, Walter Johnson, Bucky Harris, Harmon Killebrew, etc. They're not to honor? How about the 1924 World Champions?

..who? btw, 1924 was 80 years ago. who cares?

How can you put 15 teams in each league? One team wouldn't have an opponent every series.

good point.

[Chisox73]

How can you put 15 teams in each league? One team wouldn't have an opponent every series.

That would mean you would have an interleague game every day of the season.

[brewcrew82]

That would mean you would have an interleague game every day of the season.

::shudders:: That means we'd never get rid of this blight...

[Coal Cracker]

..who? btw, 1924 was 80 years ago. who cares?

Delahanty was one of the greatest ballplayers in the late 19th century and early 20th. When the Senators were in Detroit to play the Tigers, Delahanty mysteriously disappeared and his body was found in Niagra Falls. See the links for more details.

Ed Delahanty- Statistics

Ed Delahanty- Hall of Fame

[BasEbaLlKnoItAll]

yes

to answer the original question yes if they are named the senators they should hang up old banners and recognize the history of the senators. But also i think they should also hang Montreal banners as well as the retired numbers. Also regardless of if theyre the senators or not i think the logo should be the montreal M, but just flipped upside down (not rotated but flipped, so that the red is still on the left) to make a W. It would be really cool to have montreal and the senators recognized (if they are in fact the senators.) And in that museum you mentioned they should also include expos stuff so that the expos arent forgotten.

[Tomahawk Chop]

to answer the original question yes if they are named the senators they should hang up old banners and recognize the history of the senators. But also i think they should also hang Montreal banners as well as the retired numbers. Also regardless of if theyre the senators or not i think the logo should be the montreal M, but just flipped upside down (not rotated but flipped, so that the red is still on the left) to make a W. It would be really cool to have montreal and the senators recognized (if they are in fact the senators.) And in that museum you mentioned they should also include expos stuff so that the expos arent forgotten.

I agree, the history of the Senators and the Expos should both be recognized. Even though the Expos never went to the WS, you can't just pretend they didn't exist. Gary Carter, Andre Dawson, Vlad Guerrero...they have had some good players come through their ranks, so their history needs to be commemorated. As for the question of the Senators old banners, go for that, too. I think it presents a very unique opportunity for the histories of two teams to be displayed in the same venue. Who knows, maybe the increased revenue coming with the move will translate into a more competitive team, so maybe this incarnation of the Senators will start making its own winning tradition in a few years.

[Calif_Eagle]

That brings up another questions, do teams that moved like the A's hold up banners that were won elsewhere? The A's won 5 titles in Philadelphia.

In Los Angeles... not long before George Mikan died, the Lakers basketball team of the NBA held a ceremony to honor the stars and HOF-ers of the old Minneapolis Lakers teams of the late 40's and the 1950's. At this ceremony, a special banner in the light blue and white colors of the old Lakers franchise was unveiled and hung in the LA Forum. It recognizes all of the Minneapolis Lakers HOF-ers and all of the Minneapolis Championships (except, oddly to me, anyway, the 1948 NBL Title that they won in their very first season of competition as the Lakers. The NBL was a predecessor and forerunner of the NBA.) This banner was moved and today still hangs in the Laker's new home arena, Staples Center. What other teams in other sports and cities do, I cant really say, but this is one example of a city honoring its teams past in a different city. The LA Dodgers also have done things in the past to commemorate past Brooklyn Dodger pennants and the 1955 World Series Title.

[morepepper]

I agree, the history of the Senators and the Expos should both be recognized. Even though the Expos never went to the WS, you can't just pretend they didn't exist. Gary Carter, Andre Dawson, Vlad Guerrero...they have had some good players come through their ranks, so their history needs to be commemorated. As for the question of the Senators old banners, go for that, too. I think it presents a very unique opportunity for the histories of two teams to be displayed in the same venue. Who knows, maybe the increased revenue coming with the move will translate into a more competitive team, so maybe this incarnation of the Senators will start making its own winning tradition in a few years.

But there is no real continuity. It is almost as if the Expos folded and the Nationals are a new invention.

[Gary Dunaier]

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who resurrects old threads!

In my mind, the current Washington Nationals have nothing to do with the original Washington Senators. The Nationals moved from Montreal, so their legacy begins in 1969 when the Expos were created.

The original Washington Senators moved to Texas, so their legacy properly belongs with the Texas Rangers.

However, that doesn't mean the Nationals can't, and shouldn't, honor the legacy of the Senators in terms of the history of Major League Baseball in Washington, DC.