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  • #16
    Great photo, thanks for sharing!
    "For the Washington Senators, the worst time of the year is the baseball season." Roger Kahn

    "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby.

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    • #17
      Hank Allen

      Beautiful Photo Steve. Is it on your website? I don't see it there.




      Originally posted by StevesBaseball
      Not quite the 1970 Senators but here's Hank Allen from August of 1969 in Anaheim Stadium.





      Steve
      "Steve's Baseball Photography Pages"

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      • #18
        Wow John,

        That really surprises me, your bad experience with Grieve. In 1999, my wife and I went to Rangers-Padres game in San Diego and we went to get some food before the game. We saw Grieve standing in line to get some sort of hot sandwich. Not sure why he wasn't eating in the press box, but we went up to him, introduced ourselves and he seemed really genuinely happy to meet us. He talked to us for a couple of minutes and when he heard Frank Howard was my favorite player, he asked me if I knew that Hondo hit the first HR in the old Arlington Stadium. Maybe he was just in a bad mood after your game orrrrrrrrrrrrr ...... maybe seeing LOTS of bad baseball the past 36 years has humbled him LOL ... he truly seems like a really nice guy.

        Originally posted by JohnGelnarFan
        All of you have made nice additions here. Aa3rt,I remember that Jim Hannan was pitching very well before his kidney ailment. On Aug.17th,he was 9-5. Tom Grieve was like so many young players that started with the Senators and had their best years elsewhere. My only vivid memory of him was when he hit his first major league triple. That was pretty exciting,until he got picked off third base. I also remember him turning me down for an autograph after a game. I never liked him after that. Other young players like Lenny Randle and Tom Ragland were busts as Senators.
        1971 WAS a disaster. If you look up the transactions they made,it's apparent that Short was preparing to leave town. Howard dropped off at an alarming rate(26 homers) and only Don Mincher hit as many as 10. If you guys remember,Dave Nelson hit third quite often in the second half and he hit 5 homers. Dick(Rich) Billings and Larry Biittner were surprising contributors and their stats weren't exceptional.
        I don't remember the exhibition games in Arlington,Tx. or that their record was acceptable until mid august. That is pretty shocking! Thanks guys!

        P.S.- I think Timbones asked about Fred Valentine in another thread. He'll be appearing at The Collectors Showcase Of America at the Dulles Expos Center in Chantilly Va. on Saturday,July 8th between 12-4 P.M. Chuck Hinton and Jim Coates will be there Friday,the 7th from 4-7,Saturday from 12-4 and Sunday from 11-3. Donations of $10.00 are requested for autographs. This event is in conjunction with the American Cancer Society's breast cancer awareness program. This info was in the May issue of "Nats News" from the Washington Historical Baseball Society.

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        • #19
          I'm sure he's a decent guy Art but turning down a kid(who was the only one to recognize him) was hurtful at the time. I even remember what he was wearing. When I moved to Texas in 1992 and went to the Rangers offices to meet Rich Billings,I was sitting in the lobby waiting when Grieve and George "Dubyah" walked by. The first thing I thought of was that moment in 1970. I guess he scarred me for life! I'm glad that your experience with him was more pleasant. Maybe he did have a bad day. Hitting .198 will do that to you! I received my copy of "Frank Howard:The Gentle Giant" today. I'm looking forward to reading it ........If they ever print the book,"Tom Grieve:The Kid Snubber",I won't buy it.



          Originally posted by HondoHR33
          Wow John,

          That really surprises me, your bad experience with Grieve. In 1999, my wife and I went to Rangers-Padres game in San Diego and we went to get some food before the game. We saw Grieve standing in line to get some sort of hot sandwich. Not sure why he wasn't eating in the press box, but we went up to him, introduced ourselves and he seemed really genuinely happy to meet us. He talked to us for a couple of minutes and when he heard Frank Howard was my favorite player, he asked me if I knew that Hondo hit the first HR in the old Arlington Stadium. Maybe he was just in a bad mood after your game orrrrrrrrrrrrr ...... maybe seeing LOTS of bad baseball the past 36 years has humbled him LOL ... he truly seems like a really nice guy.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Timbones
            Well for sure baseball had taken a hard look at Texas for an expansion team in 1969, and I imagine Short was trying to push things in that direction. After all, that wasn't a decision that could have been made overnight, it took some planning. Thanks for filling in the gaps you guys! Here's a quote from Del Unser on the final game: "“It was eerie and a little scary,” he said. “I grabbed my hat and ran for the dugout. And it was broken-field running, too. They were taking light bulbs out of the scoreboard and smashing them. You just didn’t know what was going to happen.”
            “There was so much animosity toward Bob Short,” he continued. The team had been run on a shoestring. He probably didn’t really want to succeed there because he knew he had a pot of gold waiting in Texas.”


            T.
            I remember when Bob Short ran for the Senate from Minnesota in 1978. What do you think the reaction in DC would have been if he won. (he lost.)

            Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
            Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

            Holy Cow

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            • #21
              That's kind of ironic because the original Senators were moved to Minnesota. I'm sure the reaction would have been unfavorable if he had won. There was nothing he could have done that would have been looked upon favorably from Senators fans. He sure is a bad memory.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JohnGelnarFan
                That's kind of ironic because the original Senators were moved to Minnesota. I'm sure the reaction would have been unfavorable if he had won. There was nothing he could have done that would have been looked upon favorably from Senators fans. He sure is a bad memory.
                I know I've mentioned this before, but that Bob Short was professional sports original carpetbagger. He was also responsible for moving the Minneapolis Lakers of the NBA to LA, and made an obscene profit by doing so.

                The Washington Senators played exhibition games in both 1969 & 1970 in Arlington, Texas. I suppose the old BS (Bob Short, not to be confused with the new BS-Bud Selig) was "testing the waters" to see what type of reception the Senators would get in Texas.

                I've long maintained that some of those disastrous trades and aquisitions (Denny Mc Lain, Curt Flood) were ploys by Short to make it appear that he was "improving" the Senators, all the while undermining the product the Washington franchise put on the field. He probably started counting that Texas oil money before the 1969 season began.
                Last edited by Aa3rt; 08-19-2007, 04:40 PM.
                "For the Washington Senators, the worst time of the year is the baseball season." Roger Kahn

                "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby.

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                • #23
                  Look at us!!!! 35 years later and we're still pissed!!! Who says time heals all wounds?

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                  • #24
                    I wonder where the guy that poured a beer on his head is today? Remember the picture in the paper of the guy standing behind him with the dummy hung in efigy? Short had a very angry and disgusted look on his face.I have those right,don't I?

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                    • #25
                      Happy Birthday Aa3rt!!!

                      On your birthday,The 1970 Senators lost to the Red Sox,6-5,in Boston. Joe Coleman pitched 6.1 Innings and allowed 15 hits!




                      Originally posted by Aa3rt
                      I know I've mentioned this before, but that Bob Short was professional sports original carpetbagger. He was also responsible for moving the Minneapolis Lakers of the NBA to LA, and made an obscene profit by doing so.

                      The Washington Senators played exhibition games in both 1970 & 1971 in Arlington, Texas. I suppose the old BS (Bob Short, not to be confused with the new BS-Bud Selig) was "testing the waters" to see what type of reception the Senators would get in Texas.

                      I've long maintained that some of those disastrous trades and aquisitions (Denny Mc Lain, Curt Flood) were ploys by Short to make it appear that he was "improving" the Senators, all the while undermining the product the Washington franchise put on the field. He probably started counting that Texas oil money before the 1970 season began.
                      Last edited by JohnGelnarFan; 07-01-2006, 11:08 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JohnGelnarFan
                        I'm sure he's a decent guy Art but turning down a kid(who was the only one to recognize him) was hurtful at the time. I even remember what he was wearing. When I moved to Texas in 1992 and went to the Rangers offices to meet Rich Billings,I was sitting in the lobby waiting when Grieve and George "Dubyah" walked by. The first thing I thought of was that moment in 1970. I guess he scarred me for life! I'm glad that your experience with him was more pleasant. Maybe he did have a bad day. Hitting .198 will do that to you! I received my copy of "Frank Howard:The Gentle Giant" today. I'm looking forward to reading it ........If they ever print the book,"Tom Grieve:The Kid Snubber",I won't buy it.
                        LOL, I certainly understand that John!!!! Enjoy the book. And hey, if you ever read or hear anywhere that Hondo is going to be appearing at a show or somewhere, please let me know, OK?? I still have just a few items I'd like to get him to sign and I'd also like my wife to get the opportunity to meet him.

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                        • #27
                          Hi Guys,
                          I always check up on this thread, it's had some interesting stuff here. For the record JohnG, "Baseball Bill" was Bill Holdforth, a Washington bartender who allegedly dumped the beer over Short's head, though in fact he denies it, as he says it would have been a waste of beer! He is definitely proud of having held the effigy of Short though. When Short ran for the Senate in 1978, "Bill" and his cronies raised money for his opponent and even took out ads in the Minnesota papers against Short. They were probably a minor factor in his eventual defeat, but at least Short lost anyway.
                          I understand "Baseball Bill" is still around and has become a Nationals fan...
                          You can read some more about him here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Nov14.html

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Yankwood
                            Look at us!!!! 35 years later and we're still pissed!!! Who says time heals all wounds?
                            Yankwood, yeah it probably seems pretty silly to 99 & 44/100ths % of the population, but when you grow up following a team, to have them yanked out from under you is something you really never get over.

                            My younger brother used to really rag on me because he was an Orioles fan-and of course, when we were growing up in the mid-1960's the Orioles were good, and the Senators, except for that memorable 1969 season, were usually pretty bad. My brother used to give me a hard time about the Senators/Orioles matchups. He was a much more talented ball player than me-made county all-star a couple of times as a third baseman. He admired Brooks Robinson. Remember that Brooks had the nickname "The Human Vacuum"? Sibling rivalry being what it is, I nicknamed my brother "The Human Suck", a line I would lay on him when he started giving a hard time about the Senators.

                            But, once again, I digress. I'm sure there are lots of hard-core Senators fans out there, probably now all in the over fifty age bracket, who have no love for Mr. Short to this day.

                            You think we've got it bad? Scroll up a few forums to the Brooklyn Dodgers and see what those folks have to say about Walter O'Malley-he's about as popular as Adolph Hitler in Poland!
                            Last edited by Aa3rt; 07-01-2006, 02:53 PM.
                            "For the Washington Senators, the worst time of the year is the baseball season." Roger Kahn

                            "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JohnGelnarFan
                              Happy Birthday Aa3rt!!!

                              On your birthday,The 1970 Senators lost to the Red Sox,6-5,in Boston. Joe Coleman pitched 6.1 Innings and allowed 15 hits!
                              Thanks JGF-FYI, on my birthdate, July 1, 1953, the Washington Senators played the Philadelphia Athletics in Philly, winning 5-3 and raising their record to 35-36. They finished the year at an even .500 with a 76-76 record.
                              "For the Washington Senators, the worst time of the year is the baseball season." Roger Kahn

                              "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby.

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                              • #30
                                I sure will Art. It's been 3 years since there was a team reunion but we always hope there will be another. I'm sure any appearances will be announced in the Washington Historical Baseball Society Newsletter. I'll let you know!



                                Originally posted by HondoHR33
                                LOL, I certainly understand that John!!!! Enjoy the book. And hey, if you ever read or hear anywhere that Hondo is going to be appearing at a show or somewhere, please let me know, OK?? I still have just a few items I'd like to get him to sign and I'd also like my wife to get the opportunity to meet him.

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